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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
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Susan Bradley
2013-10-25 20:31:29 UTC
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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Daniel Wolf
2013-10-25 21:54:36 UTC
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I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Lawrence Garvin
2013-10-25 22:03:10 UTC
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Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1
can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
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Daniel Wolf
2013-10-25 22:48:47 UTC
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I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

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From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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2013-10-25 23:05:55 UTC
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Not sure I agree that it will ever be offered through MU.






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I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Susan Bradley
2013-10-25 23:49:12 UTC
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There is no eventually here.<br>
<br>
To be clear to all<br>
<br>
VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.&nbsp; <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx">http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx</a><br>
<p>The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to
test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and
processes. All of Microsoft&#8217;s essential deployment tools have been
updated for Windows 8.1, including:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278">Microsoft

Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013</a> &#8211; The newest version of this
popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and
deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as
Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012. </li>
<li><a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982">Windows

Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1</a> &#8211;
Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools
and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale
installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization&#8212;and measure
the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and
functionality) of a computer.</li>
<li><a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx">System

Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager</a> &#8211; The latest version
of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server
2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a <a
href="http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx">free

180-day trial</a> is available</li>
</ul>
<p><b>Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:</b></p>
<p>Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the <a
href="https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx">Volume

Licensing Service Center (VLSC)</a>. Please note that Windows
8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can
only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to
either:</p>
<ul>
<li>Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.</li>
<li>Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center
2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or
copy to a USB key for simple installation.</li>
</ul>
<br>
<br>
Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.<br>
<p><b>Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:</b></p>
<p>If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail-
or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the <a
href="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet">Windows
8.1 product site</a> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows
Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then
please refer to the article <a
href="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store">Why

can&#8217;t I find the update in the store.</a> </p>
<p>If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume
activated, follow the same steps listed above for &#8220;Upgrading from
Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise</p>
<br>
<br>
This is it folks.&nbsp; There is no MU or WSUS for this release.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf
wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org">mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org</a>]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org">mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org</a>]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org">mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org</a>]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in">http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in</a>-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Rick McClure
2013-10-26 00:20:34 UTC
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Like Daniel said....this whole thing is annoying! Didn't Windows/Office
2000 go through something similar where you had to have specific media
depending on the how it was previously obtained/installed. And then you
needed to upgrade it....oh boy.



BUT.....Thanks Susan because I am SURE this is accurate valid
information!....and I will keep it! Seems like the key descriptor here
is Enterprise vs. non-Enterprise.



Rick.



From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/window
s-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows
8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of
this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and
deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8
and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1
<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available
in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you
need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows
8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics
(performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center
-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of
Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2
deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial
<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing
Service Center (VLSC)
<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> .
Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the
Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC.
Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012
R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB
key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1
product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to
install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble
downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why
can't I find the update in the store.
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-stor
e>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8
Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.



On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to
duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really
a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro
interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to
just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that
happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install
of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache
have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows
Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install
of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely
written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be
completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened
-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.asp
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Lawrence Garvin
2013-10-26 00:47:25 UTC
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Not just Office 2000, but also Office XP.



I distinctly (and painfully) recall applying Office XP service packs to a
client with several dozen systems. This was before the days of Microsoft
Update (2005), so my only option was to use [a] the Office Updates website,
or [b] my actual choice - the Office XP SP EXE on a network share. But that
still required the actual media image (on a local resource to boot; yes, I
tried using a network share, it failed) in order to actually install the
update. I walked from PC to PC with a CD in my hand (even though the
installer was on a network share). and the client ended up paying me several
hours of labor costs to deploy the Office XP service pack to three dozen
machines.







From: Rick McClure [mailto:rmcclure-UI00hZ9slmIwK5AITqY/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:21 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.



Like Daniel said..this whole thing is annoying! Didn't Windows/Office 2000
go through something similar where you had to have specific media depending
on the how it was previously obtained/installed. And then you needed to
upgrade it..oh boy.



BUT...Thanks Susan because I am SURE this is accurate valid
information!....and I will keep it! Seems like the key descriptor here is
Enterprise vs. non-Enterprise.



Rick.



From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-
1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of
this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment
of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows
Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1
<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11
languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to
customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an
organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance,
reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-201
2-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration
Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software
distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial
<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service
Center (VLSC)
<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please
note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store;
it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to
either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for
simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product
site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows
8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows
Store then please refer to the article Why can
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>
't I find the update in the store.

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise
to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate
functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary
ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface.
Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1
ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1
can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Lawrence Garvin
2013-10-26 00:44:06 UTC
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I think what Daniel's point may be is that since the new mentality of
Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product
UPGRADES. at some point this process MUST involve the existing
infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn't matter what the
hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed
just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15
years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1
update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be
releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are
actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing
infrastruture. Shucks, we've already seen this historically with Windows..
both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the
release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant
that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and
WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of
2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL
Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005,
2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on
SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few
years ago! And still, for most organizations, there's no compelling reason
to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making
it an onerous task to "upgrade" a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the
rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it
significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which
ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been
avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a
company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that
infrastructure. Now we're seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the
existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they
continue this crap that we're enduring right now, and organizations will go
back to the old NT4 mentality of "Never deploy a release until the first
service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out".



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-
1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of
this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment
of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows
Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1
<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11
languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to
customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an
organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance,
reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-201
2-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration
Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software
distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial
<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service
Center (VLSC)
<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please
note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store;
it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to
either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for
simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product
site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows
8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows
Store then please refer to the article Why can
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>
't I find the update in the store.

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise
to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.



On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate
functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary
ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface.
Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1
ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1
can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Julian Harper
2013-10-29 11:55:55 UTC
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This is what I've been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that's yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts...

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group


From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel's point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES... at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn't matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we've already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there's no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to "upgrade" a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we're seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we're enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of "Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out".

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can't I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx



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Freddy Grande
2013-10-31 00:03:14 UTC
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And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn't be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they're trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn't free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I've been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that's yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts...

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel's point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES... at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn't matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we've already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there's no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to "upgrade" a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we're seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we're enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of "Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out".

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can't I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

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Julian Harper
2013-10-31 07:24:59 UTC
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It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.


Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Charles Sullivan
2013-10-31 15:01:08 UTC
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This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Julian Harper
2013-10-31 16:27:03 UTC
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Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group


From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

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8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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“Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”





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From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:27 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Very good point!



However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.



http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO



Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?





Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:charles.sullivan.3-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO





Charlie Sullivan

Sr. Windows Systems Administrator



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.



This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> > wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.



Freddy Grande



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Lawrence Garvin [ <mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [ <mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org> mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) <https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store. <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
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8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group


From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Steve Yates
2013-10-31 18:13:45 UTC
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“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with
support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move
to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in
order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”
Sounds like MS is confused if it's a service pack or a new version. If they are removing support for older hardware (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2058683/new-windows-8-1-requirements-strand-some-users-on-windows-8.html) it seems like they should consider them separate versions?
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Charles Sullivan
2013-10-31 18:59:18 UTC
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Heck, even if you do read it, it’s still very confusing. It’s almost as if they are trying to say “Windows 8 becomes Windows 8.1, so ignore what it says about 8”. Or something like that.

Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Lawrence Garvin
2013-11-01 17:35:35 UTC
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That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Wow, I really should read sometimes




If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:



“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”



So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?



Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Very good point!



However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.



http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO



Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?





Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:charles.sullivan.3-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO





Charlie Sullivan

Sr. Windows Systems Administrator



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.



This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.



Freddy Grande



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Lawrence Garvin [ <mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [ <mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org> mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
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There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) <https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store. <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Julian Harper
2013-11-01 18:42:09 UTC
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Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...


Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <***@outlook.com<mailto:***@outlook.com>> wrote:

That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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2013-11-01 19:54:39 UTC
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A rose is a rose.



This one is definitely a rose
 see all the thorns! ;-)



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...



Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Wow, I really should read sometimes




If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:



“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”



So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?



Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Very good point!



However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.



http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO



Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?





Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:charles.sullivan.3-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO





Charlie Sullivan

Sr. Windows Systems Administrator



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.



This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.



Freddy Grande



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Lawrence Garvin [ <mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [ <mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org> mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
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There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) <https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store. <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Can someone explain the architecture differences between 8.1 and what would be called a Service Pack?

Daniel Wolf

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...

Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <***@outlook.com<mailto:***@outlook.com>> wrote:
That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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2013-11-02 13:42:06 UTC
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8.1 introduces a bunch of changes and feature additions that a service pack wouldn't normally be designed for. In a lot of ways it is a brand new OS. A service pack is generally a combined package of hotfixes and updates made available since the original OS released. Microsoft also releases rollups along the way when it becomes important enough to release a combined set of fixes. But, a service pack supersedes all previous rollups.


With 8.1, Microsoft is, in essence, replacing the original release. There's no good reason to continue using or installing 8.0. 8.1 is not a service pack. A service pack simply updates the core OS with fixes to make it function better. 8.1 is a complete OS replacement.






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From: Daniel Wolf
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Can someone explain the architecture differences between 8.1 and what would be called a Service Pack?




Daniel Wolf





From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.




Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...




Julian Harper


IT Manager


Jeroboams Group Ltd



On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <***@outlook.com> wrote:



That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.





From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Wow, I really should read sometimes




If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:



“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”



So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group





From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Very good point!



However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.



http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO



Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?






Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group





From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO






Charlie Sullivan

Sr. Windows Systems Administrator





From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.




It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.





This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.


Julian Harper


IT Manager


Jeroboams Group Ltd



On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au> wrote:



And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.




Freddy Grande





From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts





Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group





From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.













From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:
Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC). Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:
Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.


On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



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8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
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I would only point out Service Pack 2 for Windows XP to suggest this argument may not be entirely accurate. J



Nonetheless, even though nobody wants to consider 8.1 as a functional equivalent to a “service pack”, my point was that the announced support policy is EXACTLY LIKE a service pack has been, e.g. the earlier version is supported for two years after the newer version, and the end support date for the newer version is the same as the end support date used to be for the original version.



Compare that to what happened, historically, for NEW releases of Windows. (e.g. the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8).



Either Windows 8.1 is a NEW RELEASE, in which case it should be treated like a new release would be treated for supportability dates, and the previous release should not be expired after only two years; or it’s, de facto, a “service pack” and it’s given supportability dates consistent with how service packs have been managed for the past 10 years. Right now it certainly looks like the latter to me.



Call it what you will.. it’s still quacking.



From: rodtrent-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:rodtrent-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 8:42 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



8.1 introduces a bunch of changes and feature additions that a service pack wouldn't normally be designed for. In a lot of ways it is a brand new OS. A service pack is generally a combined package of hotfixes and updates made available since the original OS released. Microsoft also releases rollups along the way when it becomes important enough to release a combined set of fixes. But, a service pack supersedes all previous rollups.



With 8.1, Microsoft is, in essence, replacing the original release. There's no good reason to continue using or installing 8.0. 8.1 is not a service pack. A service pack simply updates the core OS with fixes to make it function better. 8.1 is a complete OS replacement.



Sent from Lenovo Tablet 2



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Can someone explain the architecture differences between 8.1 and what would be called a Service Pack?



Daniel Wolf



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...

Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Wow, I really should read sometimes




If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:



“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”



So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?



Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Very good point!



However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.



http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO



Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?





Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:charles.sullivan.3-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN <http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO> &alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO





Charlie Sullivan

Sr. Windows Systems Administrator



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.



This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.



Freddy Grande



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Lawrence Garvin [ <mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [ <mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org> mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
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There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) <https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store. <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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It's a service pack, rolled out like a new OS.

Now if you could roll it out like a service pack none of us would be having this argument, and I don't think anyone would be complaining about a free (and fairly major in parts) upgrade.


Julian Harper
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Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 2 Nov 2013, at 17:16, "Lawrence Garvin" <***@outlook.com<mailto:***@outlook.com>> wrote:

I would only point out Service Pack 2 for Windows XP to suggest this argument may not be entirely accurate. ☺

Nonetheless, even though nobody wants to consider 8.1 as a functional equivalent to a “service pack”, my point was that the announced support policy is EXACTLY LIKE a service pack has been, e.g. the earlier version is supported for two years after the newer version, and the end support date for the newer version is the same as the end support date used to be for the original version.

Compare that to what happened, historically, for NEW releases of Windows. (e.g. the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8).

Either Windows 8.1 is a NEW RELEASE, in which case it should be treated like a new release would be treated for supportability dates, and the previous release should not be expired after only two years; or it’s, de facto, a “service pack” and it’s given supportability dates consistent with how service packs have been managed for the past 10 years. Right now it certainly looks like the latter to me.

Call it what you will.. it’s still quacking.

From: ***@myitforum.com<mailto:***@myitforum.com> [mailto:***@myitforum.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 8:42 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

8.1 introduces a bunch of changes and feature additions that a service pack wouldn't normally be designed for. In a lot of ways it is a brand new OS. A service pack is generally a combined package of hotfixes and updates made available since the original OS released. Microsoft also releases rollups along the way when it becomes important enough to release a combined set of fixes. But, a service pack supersedes all previous rollups.

With 8.1, Microsoft is, in essence, replacing the original release. There's no good reason to continue using or installing 8.0. 8.1 is not a service pack. A service pack simply updates the core OS with fixes to make it function better. 8.1 is a complete OS replacement.

Sent from Lenovo Tablet 2

From: Daniel Wolf<mailto:***@neopost.com>
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎November‎ ‎1‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎58‎ ‎PM
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'<mailto:***@listserv.patchmanagement.org>

Can someone explain the architecture differences between 8.1 and what would be called a Service Pack?

Daniel Wolf

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <***@outlook.com<mailto:***@outlook.com>> wrote:
That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:***@bc.edu]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

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the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Ben Scott
2013-11-04 21:49:00 UTC
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Lawrence Garvin
Post by Lawrence Garvin
I would only point out Service Pack 2 for Windows XP to suggest this
argument may not be entirely accurate. J
And how about SP1 for Vista. Nearly 500 MB compressed. Simply in
terms of changed bytes, that's replacing a good chunk of the OS.

There have been other Service Packs that introduced major changes, too.

The whole "Service Packs are just for fixes and updates, not new
functionality" is nothing more than a marketing fiction, and has been
since just about forever. A Service Pack is whatever Microsoft
releases and calls "Service Pack". Nothing more, and nothing less.

Rather than arguing over whether Windows 8.1 meets some arbitrary
definition of a term Microsoft invented in the first place, how about
we look at the support picture. Which says that currently, as of
Windows 8, an OS release will only be supported for a few years before
you have to upgrade to a new release.

That means we're going to have to plan on treating Windows 8.x on
the same schedule that we used when deploying what we formerly called
"Service Packs".

That's schedule, mind you. If it really is a drastic change to the
OS, then we're going to have to invest a lot more resources (time,
money) in Windows deployment now. It would be much more change in the
same time scale.

If, on the other hand, it's mainly a collection of fixes with minor
new functionality (akin to XP SP2), things might be a bit more
sustainable.

It's well and good to talk about "consumerization of IT", in a
business environment, the reality isn't there yet (if it ever will
be). So we've got to face a much increased upgrade cycle, and had
better prepare for it.

(Or stick with Windows 7.)

-- Ben
Haug, Torolf
2013-10-31 19:25:20 UTC
Permalink
Although this really isn’t a complete rollout. This is essentially a service pack, but it’s just the new way of doing it. While Microsoft isn’t messaging this, the writing is on the wall. Due to the changes in the market, the desktop as we know it is going to go bye-bye. And all of those tools that we use to manage these things is going to change as well. MS didn’t want to go down this route. The consumerization of IT and the increasingly mobile future IS bringing us to this new reality.

In the future, I can imagine that a corporate store, running some new version of WSUS or something will deliver updates to clients delivered via packages in the store. The store will be where it is at when the desktop is eventually deprecated. This is simply the first salvo that IT has had to really worry about.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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Julian Harper
2013-10-31 22:59:51 UTC
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Apart from the fact that it is a new rollout, volume licences copies don't get the store upgrade, it's an ISO, which you can't roll out using any patching/software update system (that I know of!).

That's given me a thought, what about OEM copies? Currently my network is a mixture of OEM licences and volume licences (for Windows 7), if this was Windows 8 would those OEM licences be counted as retail (Store upgrades) or volume (ISO upgrades)? All copies were installed using the Dell Windows 7 install disk, but the licences keys is a mixture.

You're right about consumerisation though, it's been leading for IT for a while now but this is by far the biggest step towards that model for corporate IT.


Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 20:25, "Haug, Torolf" <***@mchutchison.com<mailto:***@mchutchison.com>> wrote:

Although this really isn’t a complete rollout. This is essentially a service pack, but it’s just the new way of doing it. While Microsoft isn’t messaging this, the writing is on the wall. Due to the changes in the market, the desktop as we know it is going to go bye-bye. And all of those tools that we use to manage these things is going to change as well. MS didn’t want to go down this route. The consumerization of IT and the increasingly mobile future IS bringing us to this new reality.

In the future, I can imagine that a corporate store, running some new version of WSUS or something will deliver updates to clients delivered via packages in the store. The store will be where it is at when the desktop is eventually deprecated. This is simply the first salvo that IT has had to really worry about.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.

Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au<mailto:***@marsys.com.au>> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

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2013-11-01 01:22:01 UTC
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Post by Julian Harper
Apart from the fact that it is a new rollout, volume licences copies don't get
the store upgrade, it's an ISO, which you can't roll out using any
patching/software update system (that I know of!).
To simplify the point--if you bought volume license you simply *can't* deploy it
like it's a service pack. Although, from my own experience with the Windows 8.1
upgrade on my personal laptop, I would argue that anyone who thinks it's merely
a service pack has no clue what they're talking about. It certainly looked to
me like an unattended setup for rolling out an entire OS. I don't recall any
service pack in Windows history ever act as if it's redetecting all hardware and
reinstalling all device drivers, or go through the entire out-of-box-experience
thingamabob (seriously, it couldn't migrate the colors and such I chose during
initial Windows 8 setup?).
Post by Julian Harper
That's given me a thought, what about OEM copies? Currently my network is a
mixture of OEM licences and volume licences (for Windows 7), if this was Windows
8 would those OEM licences be counted as retail (Store upgrades) or volume (ISO
upgrades)? All copies were installed using the Dell Windows 7 install disk, but
the licences keys is a mixture.
I have an OEM Windows 8 Pro (not in my work environment, though). It received
its update to 8.1 via the store as expected. I would expect this to hold true
for OEM Pro's in a domain environment, Group Policy suppression of the store aside.
Post by Julian Harper
You're right about consumerisation though, it's been leading for IT for a while
now but this is by far the biggest step towards that model for corporate IT.
Microsoft will have to pry the current model I live with for Windows 7 from my
cold, dead hands. Thus far Windows 8 has proven to me to be nothing but an
abomination that should have been aborted before it even began development. I'd
take Vista, Windows ME, or even Windows 1.0 over Windows 8/8.1. Fortunately I
have two more years before I have to even consider anything newer than Windows 7.

John
John Bailey
2013-11-01 01:37:56 UTC
Permalink
Although this really isn’t a complete rollout. This is essentially a service
pack, but it’s just the new way of doing it. While Microsoft isn’t messaging
this, the writing is on the wall. Due to the changes in the market, the desktop
as we know it is going to go bye-bye. And all of those tools that we use to
manage these things is going to change as well. MS didn’t want to go down this
route. The consumerization of IT and the increasingly mobile future IS bringing
us to this new reality.
If Microsoft didn't want to go down this route, they sure fooled me. This whole
Windows 8/8.1 debacle looks like Microsoft forcing their will on people to me,
and for no truly good reason at that. I don't care what anyone says, this whole
"consumerized IT" thing you speak of is nothing more than a fad, and it will
continue to be met with heavy resistance in some industries, like banking. Call
me a naysayer if you will, but in a few years I'll happily say "I told you so!"
when I'm proven right.
In the future, I can imagine that a corporate store, running some new version of
WSUS or something will deliver updates to clients delivered via packages in the
store. The store will be where it is at when the desktop is eventually
deprecated. This is simply the first salvo that IT has had to really worry about.
I can't see the traditional desktop/laptop ever being completely "deprecated."
There are some things tablets and phones just plain suck at by their very nature
of not having full-sized keyboards, mice, and/or other accessories; and there's
no way you'll ever get every application updated to a point that they can handle
this new misguided "touch everywhere" paradigm well. I could name a good three
dozen line-of-business applications that don't play nice in a touch environment
and are unlikely to anytime in the next 15 years.

Now to be clear, I have no problem with tablets and phones and designing
experiences for them. What I do have a problem with is jamming this down
everyone's throats when the reality is that the desktop is never truly going
away. I don't care if it makes developers' lives harder (and I *do* have
development experience)--make it two separate OSes and quit torturing your
corporate customers.

John
Hank Arnold
2013-11-01 09:49:55 UTC
Permalink
Add in the fact that it can take 2 – 3 hours (with no guarantee of success) and you have a major impediment to any business, small or large. Upgrading the OS every two years is a ridiculous requirement.



Regards,
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From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.



This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.



Julian Harper

IT Manager

Jeroboams Group Ltd


On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> > wrote:

And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.



I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.



Freddy Grande



From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.



I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts




Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group



From: Lawrence Garvin [ <mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.



The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.



We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.



Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.



And the existing infrastructure is dead.











From: Susan Bradley [ <mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org> mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) <https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store. <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.

On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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It's not only a ridiculous requirement; it isn't going to happen. I
realize Microsoft would like their enterprise customers to not wait until
the end of a 10-year life cycle to upgrade, but shortening the life cycle
artificially isn't going to help them in that quest. For most companies,
early adoption went out with the 90's. It's just my opinion, but Microsoft
would have much better luck if they stopped trying to radically change the
look and feel of their operating systems between each version, at least
for the business customer. Every time Microsoft rearranges the chairs, the
decision-makers think they are going to be sitting at a different table.
Within IT, we all know it's really the same table with rearranged chairs,
but Microsoft does their level best to convince everyone that the latest
and greatest is a whole new world. The decision-makers usually don't want
a new world, they want 'safe'.

Brian McMahon




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Add in the fact that it can take 2 – 3 hours (with no guarantee of
success) and you have a major impediment to any business, small or large.
Upgrading the OS every two years is a ridiculous requirement.

Regards,
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From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if
you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service
pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very
disruptive one.

Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <***@marsys.com.au>
wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All
Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway)
machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to
prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest
free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:***@Laytons.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to
maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8
going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the
coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are
thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of
Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product
UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing
infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what
the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT
installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the
past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1
update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may
be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations
are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing
infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows..
both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the
release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will
grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista
and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of
2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL
Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005,
2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on
SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few
years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason
to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making
it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the
rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it
significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which
ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been
avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a
company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that
infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap
also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the
existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they
continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will
go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the
first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@sbslinks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx
The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
including:
Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 – The newest version of this
popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of
Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows
Server 2012.
Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 – Available in
11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to
customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across
an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance,
reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager – The latest version of
Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2
deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial is
available
Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:
Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing
Service Center (VLSC). Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be
updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained
from the VLSC. Use this media to either:
Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key
for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.
Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:
If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product
site to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble
downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why
can’t I find the update in the store.
If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8
Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:
I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate
functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary
ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface.
Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an
8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:***@outlook.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:***@neopost.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:***@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in
-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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If the updates remain free, I don't have a problem with it. This is starting to drive the fact of automating upgrades without a hitch. I was very surprised that Windows 8.1 didn't have a windows.old folder. And as far as I can tell, the upgrade hasn't really broke my computer. I had an ipad 4 attached and it suddenly became an unrecognizable device. That is the only real issue so far I have had with Windows 8.1 upgrade. Other issue was that there wasn't enough free space to download and upgrade on a laptop but it upgraded by windows 8.1 dvd.

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From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:56 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I've been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that's yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts...

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel's point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES... at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn't matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we've already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there's no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to "upgrade" a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we're seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we're enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of "Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out".

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can't I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx



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But I also don't have any experience performing in place upgrades for networks on a remote management capability... Would like to someday be able to do it.

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From: Ben Warpinski [mailto:ben-/a3MfbJy+zK1Z/+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 4:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

If the updates remain free, I don't have a problem with it. This is starting to drive the fact of automating upgrades without a hitch. I was very surprised that Windows 8.1 didn't have a windows.old folder. And as far as I can tell, the upgrade hasn't really broke my computer. I had an ipad 4 attached and it suddenly became an unrecognizable device. That is the only real issue so far I have had with Windows 8.1 upgrade. Other issue was that there wasn't enough free space to download and upgrade on a laptop but it upgraded by windows 8.1 dvd.

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From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:56 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I've been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that's yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts...

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel's point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES... at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn't matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we've already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there's no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to "upgrade" a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we're seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we're enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of "Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out".

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can't I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



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From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx



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When Microsoft drops support for Windows 8 RTM won't they be forced to offer 8.1 via MU? They're not going to leave customers out in the cold out of spite because they didn't want to use the Metro store...are they?

Daniel Wolf

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From: Susan Bradley [susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.


On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
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Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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Microsoft to end Windows 8 support in two years | Myce.com:
http://www.myce.com/news/microsoft-to-end-windows-8-support-in-two-years-69243/

We have two years to upgrade Windows 8.

They are making it pretty clear that this is how we have to do this upgrade.
Post by Daniel Wolf
When Microsoft drops support for Windows 8 RTM won't they be forced to
offer 8.1 via MU? They're not going to leave customers out in the cold
out of spite because they didn't want to use the Metro store...are they?
Daniel Wolf
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
*To:* Patch Management Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
There is no eventually here.
To be clear to all
VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx
The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test
and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All
of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for
* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> – The newest
version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the
creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as
well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1
<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> –
Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and
guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale
installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the
operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and
functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx>
– The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1
and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and
more; and a free 180-day trial
<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available
*Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:*
Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing
Service Center (VLSC)
<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>.
Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the
Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC.
* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a
USB key for simple installation.
Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.
*Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:*
If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1
product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to
install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble
downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article
Why can’t I find the update in the store.
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>
If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8
Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise
This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
Post by Daniel Wolf
I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.
I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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2013-10-26 08:17:24 UTC
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Hi,

Interesting discussion and point of views :-)

The Windows Store is just another release channel (service ID) of Microsoft
Update.

I've just read the WindowsUpdate.log to come up with this:
http://p0w3rsh3ll.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/search-updates-using-the-windows-store/

Windows 8 is the first Cloud-OS and the adoption of a fast release cycle is
aligned with Microsoft's cloud OS vision/stategy.
Some organisations are stuck on the NT4 servicepack mentality, because they
have no choice.
No budget = no upgrade.
Post by Daniel Wolf
When Microsoft drops support for Windows 8 RTM won't they be forced to
offer 8.1 via MU? They're not going to leave customers out in the cold out
of spite because they didn't want to use the Metro store...are they?
Daniel Wolf
------------------------------
*Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
*To:* Patch Management Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of
Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
There is no eventually here.
To be clear to all
VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx
The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
- Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278>– The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the
creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as
Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
- Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982>– Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and
guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of
Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational
characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a
computer.
- System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx>– The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and
Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free
180-day trial <http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx>is available
*Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:*
Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing
Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>.
Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows
Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this
- Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
- Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for
simple installation.
Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.
*Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:*
If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1
product site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to
install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading
from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find
the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>
If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise
to Windows 8.1 Enterprise
This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.
I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.
Daniel Wolf
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx
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FYI.



Saw this on another List serve. I'm just the messenger



. Older AMD CPUs do NOT support Windows 8.1 or Server 2012 R2.



Athlon X2 64 and Opteron 185 series are NOT supported on the above versions.

Short story via NeoWin: AMD's early CPUs, i.e. Athlon x2 64, Opteron 185
lack CMPXCHG16b instructions.

Until Windows 8 (apparently) MS implemented a software solution into the OS
to support this instruction (so I read).



Windows 8.1 refuses to install on machines based on those CPUs. Windows 8
works great.



http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/some_older_amd_cpus_do_not_support_windows_
8_1.html

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-some-older-amd-processors-do-n
ot-support-windows-81





Ruff, Ruff...!



Network IPdog



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From: Emin [mailto:emin.atac-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:17 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.



Hi,

Interesting discussion and point of views :-)

The Windows Store is just another release channel (service ID) of Microsoft
Update.

I've just read the WindowsUpdate.log to come up with this:
http://p0w3rsh3ll.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/search-updates-using-the-windows-
store/

Windows 8 is the first Cloud-OS and the adoption of a fast release cycle is
aligned with Microsoft's cloud OS vision/stategy.

Some organisations are stuck on the NT4 servicepack mentality, because they
have no choice.

No budget = no upgrade.







On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Daniel Wolf <da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

When Microsoft drops support for Windows 8 RTM won't they be forced to offer
8.1 via MU? They're not going to leave customers out in the cold out of
spite because they didn't want to use the Metro store...are they?

Daniel Wolf

_____

From: Susan Bradley [susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM


To: Patch Management Mailing List

Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os
deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-
1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and
potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of
Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1,
including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of
this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment
of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows
Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1
<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11
languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to
customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an
organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance,
reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-201
2-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration
Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software
distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial
<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service
Center (VLSC)
<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx> . Please
note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store;
it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to
either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise
installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2
Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for
simple installation.



Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or
OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product
site <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows
8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows
Store then please refer to the article Why can
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>
't I find the update in the store.

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated,
follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise
to Windows 8.1 Enterprise



This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.



On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate
functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary
ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface.
Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1
ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have
anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?
Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows
8.1 can't be completed.

I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to
make people annoyed.

Daniel Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1
can't be completed.

Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-
the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx

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2013-10-28 13:41:53 UTC
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I ran into something similar last year with Windows 8 32 bit. I installed it on an older, cheap AMD machine and it wouldn't boot. It turned out to be due to a DEP requirement in Windows 8 and the processor didn't support DEP.

Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Network IPdog [mailto:network.ipdog-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:03 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

FYI...

Saw this on another List serve... I'm just the messenger

... Older AMD CPUs do NOT support Windows 8.1 or Server 2012 R2.

Athlon X2 64 and Opteron 185 series are NOT supported on the above versions.
Short story via NeoWin: AMD's early CPUs, i.e. Athlon x2 64, Opteron 185 lack CMPXCHG16b instructions.
Until Windows 8 (apparently) MS implemented a software solution into the OS to support this instruction (so I read).

Windows 8.1 refuses to install on machines based on those CPUs. Windows 8 works great.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/some_older_amd_cpus_do_not_support_windows_8_1.html
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-some-older-amd-processors-do-not-support-windows-81


Ruff, Ruff...!

Network IPdog

Ephesians 4:32 & Cheers!!!

A password is like a... toothbrush ;^)
Choose a good one, change it regularly and don't share it.

From: Emin [mailto:emin.atac-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:17 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Hi,
Interesting discussion and point of views :-)
The Windows Store is just another release channel (service ID) of Microsoft Update.

I've just read the WindowsUpdate.log to come up with this:
http://p0w3rsh3ll.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/search-updates-using-the-windows-store/
Windows 8 is the first Cloud-OS and the adoption of a fast release cycle is aligned with Microsoft's cloud OS vision/stategy.
Some organisations are stuck on the NT4 servicepack mentality, because they have no choice.
No budget = no upgrade.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Daniel Wolf <da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org<mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
When Microsoft drops support for Windows 8 RTM won't they be forced to offer 8.1 via MU? They're not going to leave customers out in the cold out of spite because they didn't want to use the Metro store...are they?

Daniel Wolf
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From: Susan Bradley [susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org<mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org>]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM

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Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.
There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx

The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft's essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:

* Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=325278> - The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
* Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1<http://www.microsoft.com/download/details.aspx?id=39982> - Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization-and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
* System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager.aspx> - The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial<http://technet.microsoft.com/evalcenter/dn205297.aspx> is available

Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:

Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC)<https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx>. Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:

* Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
* Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.

Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:

If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/meet> to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can't I find the update in the store.<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/why-can-t-find-update-store>

If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for "Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:

I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.



Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?

Particularly the upgrade to 8.1?







-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PM

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Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows

8.1 can't be completed.



I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed.



Daniel Wolf



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PM

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Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

(And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-

the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx



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Rod Trent
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I'm going out on a limb here to think maybe you've not used it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Julian Harper" <Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: ‎11/‎2/‎2013 5:43 PM
To: "Patch Management Mailing List" <patchmanagement-JX7+OpRa80QrCTP/***@public.gmane.orgnt.org>
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It's a service pack, rolled out like a new OS.


Now if you could roll it out like a service pack none of us would be having this argument, and I don't think anyone would be complaining about a free (and fairly major in parts) upgrade.



Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 2 Nov 2013, at 17:16, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:


I would only point out Service Pack 2 for Windows XP to suggest this argument may not be entirely accurate. J

Nonetheless, even though nobody wants to consider 8.1 as a functional equivalent to a “service pack”, my point was that the announced support policy is EXACTLY LIKE a service pack has been, e.g. the earlier version is supported for two years after the newer version, and the end support date for the newer version is the same as the end support date used to be for the original version.

Compare that to what happened, historically, for NEW releases of Windows. (e.g. the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8).

Either Windows 8.1 is a NEW RELEASE, in which case it should be treated like a new release would be treated for supportability dates, and the previous release should not be expired after only two years; or it’s, de facto, a “service pack” and it’s given supportability dates consistent with how service packs have been managed for the past 10 years. Right now it certainly looks like the latter to me.

Call it what you will.. it’s still quacking.

From: rodtrent-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:rodtrent-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 8:42 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: [patchmanagement] Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

8.1 introduces a bunch of changes and feature additions that a service pack wouldn't normally be designed for. In a lot of ways it is a brand new OS. A service pack is generally a combined package of hotfixes and updates made available since the original OS released. Microsoft also releases rollups along the way when it becomes important enough to release a combined set of fixes. But, a service pack supersedes all previous rollups.

With 8.1, Microsoft is, in essence, replacing the original release. There's no good reason to continue using or installing 8.0. 8.1 is not a service pack. A service pack simply updates the core OS with fixes to make it function better. 8.1 is a complete OS replacement.

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From: Daniel Wolf
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎November‎ ‎1‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎58‎ ‎PM
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'

Can someone explain the architecture differences between 8.1 and what would be called a Service Pack?

Daniel Wolf

From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Apart from the fact that it's plainly not a service pack...
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:43, "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
That “logic” is exactly the same “logic” that has been applied to *Service Packs* for the past gazillion years.

From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:31 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Wow, I really should read sometimes


If you look at the Notes column for Windows 8.1 it says:

“Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8 with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1 update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more information.”

So if support for Windows 8 (and I assume it’s mainstream support) ends in 2015 why does the Lifecycle website still list it as ending in 2018?!?

Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Julian Harper
Sent: 31 October 2013 16:27
To: 'Patch Management Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

Very good point!

However looking at the support timelines for Windows 8 it’s not ending in two years, it’s actually 2018 for mainstream and 2023 for extended (ie security updates), the same for 2012 and 2012 R2.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+8&Filter=FilterNO

Where the hell did this “2 years until end of support” come from?


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Charles Sullivan [mailto:charles.sullivan.3-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 31 October 2013 15:01
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This had me wondering about the server side. I just checked and the support EOL for both Windows 2012 and 2012 R2 is January 2023.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+server&Filter=FilterNO


Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

It means you'll have to do a complete rollout of an OS every two years if you want to stay fully supported. You can't just "upgrade", a la a service pack, it's a full rollout.

This is a massive change, especially for large companies, and it's a very disruptive one.
Julian Harper
IT Manager
Jeroboams Group Ltd

On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:14, "Freddy Grande" <freddy.grande-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
And what exactly is the problem? Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade. All Windows 8 (bar very old machines which shouldn’t be running it anyway) machines will support Windows 8.1. From what I see, they’re trying to prevent the same problem as with Windows XP.

I would assume once MS release an OS upgrade that isn’t free, the latest free version will be supported for longer than two years.

Freddy Grande

From: Julian Harper [mailto:Julian.Harper-/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2013 9:56 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

This is what I’ve been saying, Microsoft are making Windows harder to maintain/upgrade with Windows 8.x in almost every regard. With Windows 8 going out of support in just TWO years that’s yet another nail in the coffin for it.

I wonder what the people (organisations) who upgraded to Windows 8 are thinking now? Welcome to bi-annual OS rollouts


Julian Harper
IT Manager
The Jeroboams Group

From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: 26 October 2013 01:44
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

I think what Daniel’s point may be is that since the new mentality of Microsoft does not include service packs, but only ANNUAL(?) product UPGRADES
 at some point this process MUST involve the existing infrastructure designed for that purpose. It really doesn’t matter what the hell they call the thing.. the fact is that 8.1 on my Surface RT installed just like a **SERVICE PACK** would have installed anytime in the past 15 years.

The idea that we have to go through this debacle that has been the Win8.1 update so far, EVERY YEAR, will fall flat on its face. Even though M$ may be releasing ANNUAL updates, it may be more realistic that organizations are actually deploying only tri-annually, unless they use the existing infrastruture. Shucks, we’ve already seen this historically with Windows.. both server and desktop. How many organizations completely skipped the release cycle of Vista/2008 in the period 2006-2008? (Although I will grant that some of that is attributable to the Junk that was Windows Vista and WS2008, and further complicated by the global economic conditions of 2008-2009.). But for a more practical perspective, take a look at SQL Server. *FOUR* releases of that product in the past eight years (SQL2005, 2008, 2008R2, 2012)! How many organizations are still running databases on SQL2005? Who did not even migrate those databases from SQL2000 until a few years ago! And still, for most organizations, there’s no compelling reason to upgrade! (until SQL2005 expires extended support in April 2016). Making it an onerous task to “upgrade” a 8.0 PC to 8.1 will only result in the rational choice to not to it all all, or, at a minimum, defer it significantly.

We have this ubiquitous infrastructure that is based on the WUAgent, which ships in every copy of Windows. Lately some product groups have been avoiding the use of that infrastructure (most notably Exchange), despite a company declaration way-back-when that everything would use that infrastructure. Now we’re seeing the *OS* team get away with that crap also.

Either this new vision of how (Updates? Upgrades?) are delivered uses the existing infrastructure for the convenience of enterprise users, or they continue this crap that we’re enduring right now, and organizations will go back to the old NT4 mentality of “Never deploy a release until the first service pack (or in the new system, the NEXT UPGRADE) comes out”.

And the existing infrastructure is dead.





From: Susan Bradley [mailto:susan-CxEhlPShqERWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed.

There is no eventually here.

To be clear to all

VL = you need to download an ISO from VLSC and use your _insert os deployment tool_ to deploy it.
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/10/18/windows-8-1-general-availability-the-it-pro-perspective.aspx
The general availability of Windows 8.1 is also a great time to test and potentially optimize your deployment strategies and processes. All of Microsoft’s essential deployment tools have been updated for Windows 8.1, including:
Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) 2013 – The newest version of this popular free tool enables you to automate the creation and deployment of Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, as well as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK) for Windows 8.1 – Available in 11 languages, the Windows ADK includes the tools and guidance you need to customize and automate the large-scale installation of Windows 8.1 across an organization—and measure the operational characteristics (performance, reliability, and functionality) of a computer.
System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager – The latest version of Configuration Manager supports Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 deployment, software distribution, and more; and a free 180-day trial is available
Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise:
Download your Windows 8.1 Enterprise media from the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC). Please note that Windows 8.1 Enterprise cannot be updated from the Windows Store; it can only updated using media obtained from the VLSC. Use this media to either:
Perform an in-place update of existing Windows 8 Enterprise installations.
Refresh existing computers using MDT 2013 or System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager*, or burn the media to a DVD or copy to a USB key for simple installation.


Retail or OEM you will be installing it from the Store offering.
Upgrading from Windows 8 (non-Enterprise SKU) to Windows 8.1:
If you have computers running Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (retail- or OEM-activated), or Windows RT, follow the steps on the Windows 8.1 product site to install Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. If you have trouble downloading from the Windows Store then please refer to the article Why can’t I find the update in the store.
If you have computers running Windows 8 Pro that are volume activated, follow the same steps listed above for “Upgrading from Windows 8 Enterprise to Windows 8.1 Enterprise


This is it folks. There is no MU or WSUS for this release.
On 10/25/2013 3:48 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote:
I'm sure the update gets sideloaded in there. No reason to duplicate functionality. Getting the update through the store is really a temporary ploy to increase sign-in rates and awareness of the Metro interface. Eventually they have to release it through MU - I'm going to just use an 8.1 ISO and DVD drive for my personal computers until that happens. Daniel Wolf -----Original Message-----From: Lawrence Garvin [mailto:lawrencegarvin-1ViLX0X+***@public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:03 PMTo: Patch Management Mailing ListSubject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed. Okay.. so why does the Windows Update Agent's datastore or cache have anything to do with an upgrade being installed from the Windows Store?Particularly the upgrade to 8.1? -----Original Message-----From: Daniel Wolf [mailto:da.wolf-***@public.gmane.org]Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:55 PMTo: Patch Management Mailing ListSubject: RE: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows8.1 can't be completed. I can't be alone in thinking that error message is purposely written as to make people annoyed. Daniel Wolf -----Original Message-----From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa-yBeKhBN/***@public.gmane.org]Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:31 PMTo: Patch Management Mailing ListSubject: [patchmanagement] Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed. Something happened in the install of Windows 8.1 can't be completed. (And now you're annoyed) - OUC1TOO - Site Home - TechNet Blogs:http://blogs.technet.com/b/ouc1too/archive/2013/10/25/something-happened-in-the-install-of-windows-8-1-can-t-be-completed-and-now-you-re-annoyed.aspx --Are you Cyber-aware?National Cyber Security Awareness Month | Homeland Security:http://www.dhs.gov/national-cyber-security-awareness-month ---PatchManagement.org is hosted by Shavlik To unsubscribe send a blank email toleave-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/***@public.gmane.org you are unable to unsubscribe via this email address, please emailowner-***@patchmanagement.org ---PatchManagement.org is hosted by Shavlik To unsubscribe send a blank email toleave-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/***@public.gmane.org you are unable to unsubscribe via this email address, please emailowner-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/1cyoYjzPa5A0B+***@public.gmane.org ---PatchManagement.org is hosted by Shavlik To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/1cyoYjzPa5A2l+***@public.gmane.orgf you are unable to unsubscribe via this email address, please emailowner-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/1cyoYjzPa5A0B+***@public.gmane.org ---PatchManagement.org is hosted by Shavlik To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-***@patchmanagement.orgIf you are unable to unsubscribe via this email address, please emailowner-patchmanagement-Vbinuuz+i/1cyoYjzPa5A0B+***@public.gmane.org




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